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be a good cup of coffee. a new report says president obama is being flexible with top tax rates as negotiations intensify. will that help republicans agree to a deal? we'll be talking to republican from wyoming senator john barrasso up next. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or etfs tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 which now have the lowest tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 operating expenses tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 in their respective tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lipper categories. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lower than spdr tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and even lower than vanguard. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 that means with schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 your portfolio has tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 a better chance to grow. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and you can trade all our etfs online, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 commission-free, from your schwab account. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 so let's talk about savi
. >> that's the special beer that you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. president obama and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, that's an image that frustrates so many americans. why are people going home before getting this done? >> well, unfortunately, we're not using the standard process where the house passes its version, the is that the passes its version, then a conference committee is very good in revolving impasses like this between the two houses. unfortunately, none of that's being used and i think that's one of the reasons why these things are blocking down now so regularly. we've abandoned a process that works very well when we use it. >> john boehner presented a plan to the president and in that plan, he put $800 billion in revenue from the wealthy on the table. he said he would close loopholes and those people would pay
that is a haunted the president obama? anyway, the tenth highest unemployment rate in the country. for stub's illinois a death spiral state because for every hundred private-sector workers in illinois there are 103 depending upon those private-sector workers. new york, aiming at the sixth worst death spiral state because for every 100 private-sector jobs in new york there are 107 who depend on the private sector for their -- well, their sustenance. a per capita debt of nearly $6,700. $6,700 just for the state of new york. the six highest in the country. we have people worrying about the fiscal cliff which is worth worrying about. some of these states have gotten a massive problems. these three among them. unemployment is new york is over 8%. twenty-fourth highest and 16%, 16 percent live below the poverty line. the 22nd highest telling you how much trouble some of these states are in. all three of the states, by the way, have democratic governors and democratic lead and controlled legislature's. to you suppose that is a coincidence? republicans and democrats sparring over how to avoid a fis
to higher tax rates for the highest bracket, do it quickly, and, then, president obama would be the one who is refusing it because he is throwing in all sorts of extra things like total executive branch control of the debt limit. >>neil: who came up with the $50 billion in new surplus spending in the middle of this? come on! >>guest: the question, it is an interesting offer, kind of an office that the president gave yesterday which was call it disrespectful, a disrespectful offer and the question is, are republicans going to take it personally and get mad about it? or will they say, well, this is the early stage. we are standing around and snorting and we will get down to serious stuff. but a lot of republicans were actually insulted by what the president did yesterday. >>neil: byron, good talking to you in washington, dc. not too far from where byron is sitting speaker boehner declaring a stalemate in the talks. can it be broken? and now to a washington congresswoman in her first interview since being elected. contrary to what you have been told there are women in powerful positions in con
for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, right. >> i see a parallel between the two news story the palestinian vote and the congressional stuff because boehner's -- >> be careful here, my friend, please. >> let me do my caveats first. i still have a job when i walk out of the studio. i sort of see a boehner in the role of a boss here. you know he has got, you know, he's got still a very hard core group of people on right who are not still -- still not terribly afraid and are not taking lessons out of election so he really does have a fundamental concern about how he's going to put together a coalition to do this. and i really do think, for all joking aside, this
publicly. you know i think that obama obviously wants the marginal rates increased. he's really kind of drawing a line in the sand on that. a few republicans tom cole is the most notable one but a couple more today, i noticed came out and said they think their party should consider that. if we get a drip, drip, drip on that, a few a day a few a week, then maybe maybe there will be a chance by the end of december that enough republicans will go for that increase. remember, it doesn't have to be a huge number of republicans. it just has to be 25 or so of them. >> eliot: the president has drawn a couple lines in the sand. one of them is marginal rates go up. another one now appears to be the debt ceiling. he's putting himself into a position where he's going to have to tow a tough line or disappoint the very people you said earlier he's making feel very good because of the toughness and the new vigor in his negotiating position. fun game to watch michael. we'll ask you to come back in the next couple of days to te
there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. so, in some sense it's a tax cut for all americans. >> reporter: bottom line, anderson, we're talking today but still at stalemate. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sign, jessica and dana, of just how lack -- how little progress there's been that a phone call is big news between these two. dana, we're hearing hints of some mo
. president obama's insistence that any deal include higher tax rates for high-income earners. we asked wyatt andrews to tell us how that might affect small businesses. >> so we need a couple of boxes for these. >> reporter: kevin green owns two flower and gift shops in alexandria, virginia, and he says raising taxes on the wealthy won't just hurt him. it will hurt his workers and the economy. >> all you do is reduce the capital available for investment and employment. >> reporter: small business owners typically report business income on their personal taxes. in a good year, green's income will exceed $250,000, making him one of the taxpayers the president says should pay more. in his case, an estimated $8,000 more. what's the economic downside to asking eight more thousand dollars for you? >> i don't have $8,000 to spend on those employees or that inventory or the business that draws customers. >> reporter: by congressional estimates there are some 941,000 high-income small businesses. the president says that number includes truly rich small firms like hedge funds, but when republicans argu
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with raising rates as long as it's part of that package we described. >> a meeting or a phone call between john boehner and president obama, is that at all in the works? >> as far as we know, no. whether it's in the works, we could only hope, at this point we do not have any indication that it is scheduled right now. never mind the principles, we don't have any word that there has been communications between their staff at all. what's flying out of the public still appears to be flying out of private, which is not a lot. >> the members are going home for a nice long weekend. thanks very much for that. president obama isn't negotiating like we just heard. he's negotiating to raise the tax rates on the rich as a downpayment on a larger deal to come later as far as taxes are concerned and medicare is concerned. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top two percent, that includes all of you, yes. but not in anyway that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next yea
.5% or so top rate that president obama wants to return to which we paid under clinton is very, very popular. republicans should ought not fall on that sword. the democrats are ed e ready to endorse 98% of the hated bush tax cuts. i would call that a win and toss the other 2% overboard. >> there's also a lot of talk here in washington, has been for a couple weeks about false confidence. the false confidence that happened at the end of the election there. the mitt romney people pretty much told a lot of us they were confident it was going to be a long night and that they would win. i want to read you something from the new republic about team romney's internal polling. says the biggest flaw in their polling was the failure to predict the demographic composition of the electorate. the people who showed up to vote on november 6 were younger and less white than team romney anticipated and far more democratic as a result. so i want to ask you, erick, is this sort of a misunderstanding generally that republicans have to address the next time they go into an election about who the voters are going
that. this is why president obama extend the tax rates for a year action because he said this could hurt the economy. here we are again. we're not anywhere different than we were last year really. >> gregg: donna, dick durbin, the senate's number two democrat, said that social security is off the table because i'm going to quote him here -- it does not add a penny to our deficit. that's ludicrus. >> i think that i'm unable to comment because i think the context may have something to do with the sense of lock box and where this money actually comes from and where it sits in the meanwhile before it gets spent. but i also think it's awfully important to remember that in terms of republican cooperation, the president really has been i think very sincere about seeking that cooperation and initially speaker boehner i think expressed with great sincerity his interest in cooperation. i dare say that there has been a lot of biplay among both the senators and the house members on what that cooperation is going to look like. but i do think it's awfully important that we not come out of this pr
deductions so the rich pay more anyway. it is looking more like obama is going to get both. he wants rates to go about not 39.6, and he wants to do something on deductions. he wants to go twice a year. what do you think? >> he wants a mix of things and what republicans will see as a compromise is keeping rates going not as high as originally thought, not quite 40% but keeping them lower and including some of those deductions but if obama got everything he wanted that would be $72,000 average on the top 1% households. dennis: senator harry reid said two days ago let's raise tax rates on the rich and that way we have gone without solving fiscal problems. that will raise $80 billion meaning only $1 trillion more to cut or find new revenue. this has not been discussed at all. what do you think? >> exactly right. to do serious long-term debt and deficit reduction you have to do entitlement reform. what this president is feeling is the popular sensibility is polls show the majority of americans don't even want to raise the age on medicare from 65 to 67 and they are using that so they don't have
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are you holding this up. >> president obama told boehner there is no deal unless to keep the tax rates go up for those earning more $250,000. >> 138 nations voted to granted the palestinian authority status as a non-member observer state. israel and united states voted against the controversial measure which could make it easier for the palestinian authority to pursue israel in international courts. palestinian president mahmoud abbas called it a last chance for a peaceful two state settlement. >> just ahead, a bay area's woman battle against cancer. >> how social media is bringing >>> traditional fund-raising usually involves something like a bake sale or auction. >> social media opened a new arena. >> it is called cloud funding and michael finney is here tonight, apparently it works. >> it really does. it is a game changer. i reported earlier about a local elementary school where they were able to raise cash by using a cloud funding site. thousands of folks are raising money from everything from making movies to paying medical bills. for one san francisco woman who is fighting cancer, i
in savings when it comes to tax revenue. but much of that came from raising tax rates for the wealthiest americans, which of course is what president obama campaigned on. so those are the big differences right now. but this certainly is important, wolf, because republicans were saying that they're not even sure that this ball was in their court. clearly they realized it was. so the talks -- there is stalemate no more, put it that way. >> on this key issue of marginal tax rates for the wealthy, the republican offer is keep the tax rates exactly as they are right now, 35% for that 2% wealthiest families making more than $250,000. the obama proposal is raise that rate to 39.6% where it was during the clinton administration. what else is in this new gop proposal? >> reporter: let's show you some of the savings when it comes to government spending. first of all, they put about $600 billion in what the republicans are calling health savings. we understand -- we don't have details. we understand much of that comes from medicare, things that we've heard from republicans over and over like raisin
of automatic spending cuts and tax increases could take effect january 1st. democrats moved by president obama and congressional republicans signaled they are willing to compromise on changing tax rates and spending reductions but the negotiations are moving very, very slowly. susan mcginnis is in washington with the latest. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. the president is sending his top two negotiators to talk with lawmakers today about possible spending cuts. he's also getting ready to take his fiscal cliff message on the road. he'll try to convince the american people the best way to avoid the fiscal cliff is to extend the bush era tax cuts for the middle class. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> reporter: president obama is putting pressure on congressional republicans and he's enlisting middle class americans in getting the gop to take action on taxes. >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: tomorrow he'll host a campaign style event where he calls on lawmakers to extend the tax rates on f
to compromise it out. you don't increase the rates as much as obama wants. you do some stuff on deductions and so-called loopholes that the republicans want. you create $1.2 trillion of revenue. you have a trillion dollars of savings from some stuff that happened already last year, do some stuff on defense, you could get the $4 trillion package that we need. it's not hard. you just have two sides that are so polarized, have dug themselves into such deep corners, and just seem unwilling to get out of them. >> it will get done. remember i told you that. >> from donnie's lips. >>> let's get to some of your charteds here because katty asked you what happens if we do go over the cliff. let's look at some of the real consequences. the uncertainty index is your first one. >> as i said, we don't know what happens, but there's a few indicators that give us a sense as to at least where people, business and the economy is at the moment. one interesting index that i came upon is called the uncertainty index. it's done by several economists where they attempt to incorporate the number of news stories t
that obama says he's adamant about, what he was elected on, as he says, which is this basic tax rate going up by say 3%? do you think they are going to end in the end have to acquiesce to that? >> i sort of do think they will because in certain ways from the republican perspective, you could argue that the smartest thing to do is to, you know, vote, vote to extend all the bush tax cuts, let president obama veto that extension, then vote a middle class tax cut and let the top bracket expire, and then republicans can say look, we didn't really break our pledge. taxes were going to go up across the board. we did what we could do and the president wouldn't let us do more. but i also think that president obama sees a real percentage for him in getting republicans to cross the line of agreeing to a rate increase. and that's why i think he's pushing so hard on this. i think most economists would agree that there is often more advantages in capping deductions than in just going for the rates, but i think there's a real political advantage for democrats looking ahead to battle after battle that we'll
are still miles apart. we spoke with gop senator john cornyn about president obama's plans too tax hikes. talking about increasing taxes, letting the tax rate go up on people making over $250,000 a year. as i understand it, that's about $85 billion a year, funding the government for eight days. $85 billion is a lot of money, but if you look at government waste, even senator tom coburn has identified $20 billion in waste. has anybody thought about getting the revenue from waste, seeing just how much we really need? >> the problem has usually been if you rdise taxes, the spending cuts will come later, and they never seem to manifest. >> greta: but not even spending cuts. actually waste. >> well, yeah, waste and fraud and abuse are the famous three horsemen of cuts. but the fact is that many times they're harder to get to it would afternoon. i think tom coburn has done a great service by identifying a lot of duplication and waste in the government, including in the pentagon. i'm a defense hawk, but the pentagon needs to do a better job when it comes to handling the people's money too. you c
, they can't do something to bridge this in to a conversation next year. but when president obama says things through tim geithner that he said about raising tax rate and spend additional money, which is crazy, it makes people more concerned that a big overall grand bargain can't be reached next year. >> eric: martin, do you think a grand bargain won't be reached? >> i think it will. talk about what is going on now here first. you know, the president won the election. he campaigned on the basis of higher rates for the taxpayer income earners. no surprise. the republicans are asking shocked that the president is taking a tough line. i think they expect him to roll over and play dead. that is not the way things work in this town. he won the election. and he told the american people we were going to raise the rates on the top income earners. now that is what he is trying to do. i think there is some give here. i don't think it has to go up to 39.6. right now it's 35. maybe it goes up a point or two. listen, republicans need time to sort through all of this. there will be a short-term agreement.
and greece have jobless rates of more than 25%. back at home, the question of who will be the nation's top diplomat in president obama's second term continues to intersect with complaints about how the administration handled the libya terror attack. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with the continuing saga of what susan rice knew and when she knew it. >> since it's classified briefing on capitol hill two weeks ago, lawmakers stressed that ambassador susan rice had asked for the unclassified intelligence on the benghazi attack, including the controversial c.i.a. talking points, as well as classified information. now leading republican in the senate tells fox that the classified information included the president's daily brief. from the 16 intelligence agencies, the top secret document including evidence of terrorist involvement. >> she had access to the full presidential daily brief. on intelligence. so she was well informed. and knew that our intelligence community felt that there were ties to al-qaeda affiliates that were involved in the attacks. >> earlier in week, dem
rates and the republicans say they're absolutely opposed to that. president obama is making that a condition of this deal. and there's got to be some movement eventually, but republicans are going to have to give up a very big, a very big selling point there if they're going to take the president and say, all right, we'll shift rates, even not back to the bill clinton tax levels that the republicans say they don't want to go to, but even just back to somewhere close to that. >> but do you think, i mean, if we're talking, you know, preclinton levels, we're talking north of 39%. is there wiggle room between 35% and 39%? couldn't they just say, 37% is right in the middle, 37.5% is right in the middle. >> john boehner is used to cutting deals. he has a conference that doesn't let him do it. the tea party folk have stopped him again and again and again. he made statements in the past where he had to try to round them up very forceinally and not always with great success. enough trade bait out there. the president has been out there taxing dividend income. that's something that fa
on the fact we're not going to raise the rates on anybody at any point. and what the obama administration has made very clear is it's got to be tax rate. well, the republicans are saying, doesn't have to be the tax rate. you can come up with other money closing loopholes and deductions and stuff like that. so right now it's just a dance, somebody's got -- the republicans have to come up with a formal offer. >> gretchen: i was going to say, they don't have a plan. >> steve: we've heard the president's plan. it's crazy, according to the republicans. now it's time for the republicans to come out with a plan and then have the democrats say, no, that's crazy. >> gretchen: one thing is for sure, nobody is going to get everything that they want. that's just the way it is, i think, in this very difficult situation. both sides are going to have to compromise. >> brian: i think the rolling stones sang about satisfaction and you can't always get it. >> steve: you can't get no. >> brian: we'll go over that and maybe sing it. costco is a company in which the president always leans on the ceo, the guy in c
? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with james clyburn, representative clyburn last hour, about the notion of raising tax rates on the wealthy and not where the president wants them. he said i want it higher. take a listen and then talk about it. >> we know where the president is. and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000. some say even a million. all of that's going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he'll do that but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. >> do you think that's where the compromise is, have it at a higher rate, somewhere in there? >> i think what needs to happen is for the democrats to come forward with ideas for expenditures. because if not, what he's asking for is for speaker
and the president's remains taxes and how the government can generate more revenue to pay down the debt. >> rates have to rise on the top 2%. there's no other way to do it. >> reporter: president obama says his plan will raise taxes on the rich, bringing in $1.6 trillion. republicans want to close tax loopholes and eliminate deductions, which they say will raise $800 billion in new revenue. >> the president has a huge responsibility to work together with congress and find a solution to avert the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: and they say it's now up to the president to find a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. so now that each side has rejected the other's first offer, it's going to be interesting and important to watch the timing of the next offer on the part of the white house to really try to figure out, terrell, how far both sides are willing to take us toward that cliff. >> and which side has the edge at this point. susan mcginnis in washington this morning. thank you so much. >>> iran says this morning it's captured a united states drone flying over iranian air space. the drone was
holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say and turn it around. boehner and the republicans have to be aware of where obama's at in his own head and with his colleagues, which is no deal without some increase in rates, or we go over the cliff. >> let me just add one thing. when obama made that initial offer, we talked a little bit about how, you know, it was a wish list. it was ideological, whatever you want to say. i think it actually helped boehner in some respects because it gave him three or four things that he could then go back to his caucus and say, look, i moved obama off of this, this and this. and when boehner put his offer o
that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an incredibly popular position. it's important for republicans to know that the white house is not going to accept any kind of a deal. that's the point he was trying to make. i think all the leverage now is with the demo
worth having, but as a rule, the lower the rate, the better for investment, the better for job growth. in terms of medicare and medicaid, you will see for upper-income under obama-care, that has been done. if you make over $250,000, if you will pay a tax. -- you will pay a tax to fund that thing. the democrats and an enormously new program that has $600 billion of taxes over a decade that are beginning to kick in. if you go to a tanning salon, if you buy a wheelchair, there will be taxes, and if you are a high- income investor, you will already hit with taxes. host: are those of included and budget proposals? guest: we think some of these things should be open for negotiation, but we lost the election, so the president will not do a full repeal. having said that, there are areas we have worked on before, trying to get rid of 1099 forms, and democrats said that was a dumb idea, and the president signed that repeal. we will continue to work, but this thing is a backer fiscally for the country or the next decade and that will become progressively more evident. host: linda. your honor wit
are requesting, what the heck is going on with the house and president obama. >> didn't we learn in 2011, where the government seemed less stable and our triple-a rating went down to a double-a rating and right now, john thune was right, it takes time to bush legislation through and we can't have a deal cut on christmas eve. >> is this brinksmanship on behalf of the president and time geithner, his treasury secretary, in terms of what the dems are now offering congress? >> no, i think the president has made a riegsal offer and of course, it's an opening offer, but that silence is deafening for the republicans, for the republicans' response. their political lemmings getting ready to go off the fiscal cliff and rather do that and not violate the no tax pledge they made to grover norquist than to move the ball forward and resolve this for the american people. >> is it really about that, angela and dick, is it really about the pledge that was made to grover norquist, no new taxes? we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that
. stuart: well, wait a minute you cannot rewrite economic history. after george bush lowered tax rates the return to the treasury, the money coming into the treasury went way up and the deficit, by the way, in 2007 was 167 billion dollars. >> so. stuart: president obama has got, 167 billion a month just about. don't rewrite economic history, julie. >> i'm not rewriting economic history. stuart: you are. >> i'm not-- >> i'm telling you if you lower tax rates you'll get more revenue. >> that's how do you it. >> i think history showed whether it's ronald reagan or-- >> ronald reagan, george w. bush and-- >> your a telling me that ronald reagan was not increasing deficits. stuart: ronald reagan increased-- >> here is what we're arguing about, you lower tax rates, you get more revenue. >> stuart. stuart: that's a lesson of economic history. >> stuart, i'm sorry. stuart: it is. >> the lesson of the reagan years and bush years, you-- >> it's factually true that when you lower rates, ronald reagan did it, dramatic lower of rates, the revenue to the treasury doubled in five years. that's true.
of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept the rates that are going to have to go up on wealthiest americans. i don't really see them doing that. >> nbc news white house correspondent, mike viquiera joining me now. treasury secretary timothy geithner, president obama's point man in these fiscal cliff negotiations, ran the gauntlet this morning. he appeared on all five sunday talk shows, including "meet the press" of course, what else did he say? >> craig, you know if we're in the posturing stage and a lot of people think we're still in the posturing stage with, 29 or 30 days to go. we better hope that they're just posturing, because after the period of optimism, the post-election talk of compromise, you remember john boehner came out the day after the election, the president spoke about compromise as well. they're as far apart as they ever have been and the clock is ticking. what timothy geithner said is as follows, nothing is going to get done unless republicans agree to raise rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans we know the figure by now. those couples filing jointly making mo
. >> if the republicans would give up on 2% tax rates nobody would have to worry about anything. >> bob, obama-care already taxes the middle class. the majority of the country do not want to be taxed. what they don't know already is everybody is getting a tax increase because of obama-care. people get the government spending too much. they want spending cuts. i will give you this, though. when you start to talk about specific cuts, people say don't cut my entitlement. that's the difficult issue in washington. but democrats have to wake up. martha: when you look at the 2% you are talking about. now it's 2%. when you look at it. who they want to have taxes raids on the white house. it's not a fiscal policy. is that a punishment orifice cal policy? >> i don't think it many a punishment. not in and of itself which is why you have to couple that with three times as much spending cuts. these people have had the best of the best for the last 20 years. when there is a tax bill they get favored. it's time for them to give a little back. andrea says all these people will be hurt. they will be hurt becau
immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that forces republican leaders to compromise staunch conservatives will likely rebel. more "bill press" up after t
the cliff and turnaround and they reset the rates -- the lady from kentucky talk about how obama had raised her taxes. she has gotten more tax breaks since obama was president -- she pays a lower rate than she did for the past 60 years. guest: in terms of the retroactive application --there is a possibility we could come back in january and say we will reinstate those tax rates for everybody except those people making more than $250,000. host: we have about 30 seconds. the likelihood these credits will be reduced. guest: it will be a crapshoot. host: steven sloan from politico. thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> tomorrow on washington journal, and a look at the mortgage debt relief act, which was passed by congress in the early days of the housing crisis, and a discussion of orientation sessions for senior aides and aides of members- elect in congress. and a member of the autistic and advocacy network on being an adult with autism, and the federal role in supporting autistic adults and children. wash
to understand is that tax rates are going up on january 1 within obama care. so we're talking about almost a trillion dollars of increases in taxes and fees. >> let's not talk about the democrats for a moment. let's not even talk about what the president's put on the table. let's talk about the republicans. give me specific cuts that republicans would be behind. because we're really short on specifics from the gop. lay out for me, here's what we're willing to cut in terms of entitlements. put it on the table. >> look, there's been a plan in terms of indexing the increases. we are going to have to find a way to reduce the gap between how much medicare costs per person and how much we pay. because it's not going to last. it's going to go broke. >> so let me bring in nan for a second, then. forgive me for cutting you off. tick off for me. as you know, one of the biggest criticisms from the dems, the republicans as much as they're flabbergasted and shock and amazed and -- >> of course we are, dosoledad. the simpson/bowles commission 3-1 expenses to taxes. the plan president boehner sent at 2-1
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